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Is it ok to have an isa modem and pci modem installed at the same time?
I have a dual boot system.
98se and xp.
98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem (cl-md56xx cirrus logic)
Windows xp does not.
However, xp does recognize the ESS 1868 ISA sound card. I hope that does not mean, I have to reinstall XP, so it will recognize my modem. I did try the standard modem trick
As far as the string wanted
For 98se What is the string to mute the modem volume and show the connection speed, not the port speed.
Greg wrote: > modem question and modem string wanted
> Is it ok to have an isa modem and pci modem installed at the same > time?
> I have a dual boot system.
> 98se and xp.
> 98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem (cl-md56xx > cirrus logic)
> Windows xp does not.
> However, xp does recognize the ESS 1868 ISA sound card. > I hope that does not mean, I have to reinstall XP, so it will > recognize my modem. I did try the standard modem trick
> As far as the string wanted
> For 98se > What is the string to mute the modem volume and show the connection > speed, not the port speed.
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:16:20 -0500, 98 Guy <9...@Guy.com> wrote: >Greg wrote:
>(...)
>You have a motherboard with ISA slots. You are running XP on said >computer.
>You are indicating that you have internet access via dial-up modem.
>You are one hurting unit.
>Do yourself a favor and get a computer that was manufactured this >decade, and subscribe to a broad-band internet service.
My computer can handle up 500 mb of memory, because of tech broke one the plastic plug. It can only handle 256 mb stick at the most. The stick order does not matter, from what I have read.
My computer was a business system built by Compaq and was giving to me, when the business upgraded to xp.
However, this system has 2 isa slots. 5 pci slots 2 on board 1.1 USB slot
1 pci slot is using a ragepro pci graphic card. 1 pci slot is using a usb 2.0 pci card 1 pci slot is for a pci modem that went bad I order another one. 1 pci using is used for a Network Adapter 1 pcl slot empty (This maybe a AGP slot, not sure) 1 ISA slot is used for an E1868 ISA sound card 1 ISA slot is used for an cl-md56xx cirrus modem currently. 5 bay drive (Never could get a second hard drive or a second cd drive to work correctly).
I have been running xp and 98se for a long while.
Xp is a little slow, but that because of my memory. That does not bug me. I am used to slow systems.
As far is getting a computer, do you want to send me $500.00 walmart gift card? I am kidding of course. I will be glad to get a computer if you did that. I still would have to buy a USB modem and install a floppy drive.
My system I would love to have Would be W7 (I hate the new desktop and start menu, that is a turn off) or Vista With a floppy drive, DVD/cdrw burner drive
Access to the Bios menu needed. So, I can choose the boot order.
One site said xp does not have ISA bus. If that was the case, my ISA sound card wouldn't work.
The only reason I got xp, is so I can use flash to pay my bills.
Greg wrote: > > Do yourself a favor and get a computer that was manufactured > > this decade, and subscribe to a broad-band internet service.
> My computer can handle up 500 mb of memory,
Even PC's made 10 years ago can handle 512 mb memory. Doesn't mean their suitable for XP.
CPU speed and internal cache are important if we're dealing with such ancient hardware.
And you're only running with 256 mb to boot.
Like I said, do yourself a favor and get newer hardware.
And messing with modems these days is just nonsense.
> However, this system has 2 isa slots. 5 pci slots > 2 on board 1.1 USB slot
Not even AGP?
And USB 1.1?
(shakes my head)
> Xp is a little slow, but that because of my memory.
Trust me. It's slow mainly because of your CPU.
If you had a P4 or even a Celeron running 2 or 3 ghz, then I'd say your 256 mb ram is the problem.
What do you have - a Pentium 1 running at 133 mhz? Maybe a P-2 running at 250 mhz?
> As far is getting a computer, do you want to send me > $500.00 walmart gift card? I am kidding of course. > I will be glad to get a computer if you did that.
Go to one of those discount / surplus tech stores and pick up a 5-year-old HP or IBM PC that just came off lease from a call center for $150.
> I still would have to buy a USB modem and
USB modem? (shakes head again)
> One site said xp does not have ISA bus.
XP can handle ISA bus cards just fine. Just don't expect hardware auto-detection.
> The only reason I got xp, is so I can use flash to pay > my bills.
Win-98 runs flash-9 no problem, and flash-10 if you know what you're doing.
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:42:36 -0500, 98 Guy <9...@Guy.com> wrote: >Greg wrote:
>> > Do yourself a favor and get a computer that was manufactured >> > this decade, and subscribe to a broad-band internet service.
>> My computer can handle up 500 mb of memory,
>Even PC's made 10 years ago can handle 512 mb memory. Doesn't mean >their suitable for XP.
>CPU speed and internal cache are important if we're dealing with such >ancient hardware.
>And you're only running with 256 mb to boot.
I am actual running with less memory than that. I am not much of a gamer. I use it mainly for paying bills, newsgroups, forums, shopping, TV guide (Titan.com)
> As far is getting a computer, do you want to send me $500.00 walmart > gift card?
> Greg
Greg:
While I sympathize with your low cost philosophy ( I have several PI ~300 Mhz machines) $500 is gross overkill for a much more capable system. Refurbished business class machines can be had for absurdly low prices these days.
In message <4AF5F7DC.8D24D...@Guy.com>, 98 Guy <9...@Guy.com> writes:
>Greg wrote:
>> > Do yourself a favor and get a computer that was manufactured >> > this decade, and subscribe to a broad-band internet service.
>> My computer can handle up 500 mb of memory,
>Even PC's made 10 years ago can handle 512 mb memory. Doesn't mean >their suitable for XP.
Or that they're not.
>CPU speed and internal cache are important if we're dealing with such >ancient hardware.
Amount of RAM is far more important. I agree, 256M isn't really enough for XP though, especially SP2 or 3.
>And you're only running with 256 mb to boot.
>Like I said, do yourself a favor and get newer hardware.
>And messing with modems these days is just nonsense.
Well a lot of the web does seem to assume you have BB, yes. For just email and text newsgroups, provided no idiot sends you a huge attachment, it's OK.
>> However, this system has 2 isa slots. 5 pci slots >> 2 on board 1.1 USB slot
>Not even AGP?
You don't need AGP. (Or even PCI, though I don't know if XP knows about ISA when it comes to graphics cards.) []
>> I still would have to buy a USB modem and
>USB modem? (shakes head again)
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:31:04 -0500, Greg <inva...@invalid.net> wrote: > On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:42:36 -0500, 98 Guy <9...@Guy.com> wrote:
> >Greg wrote:
> >> > Do yourself a favor and get a computer that was manufactured > >> > this decade, and subscribe to a broad-band internet service.
> >> My computer can handle up 500 mb of memory,
> >Even PC's made 10 years ago can handle 512 mb memory. Doesn't mean > >their suitable for XP.
> >CPU speed and internal cache are important if we're dealing with such > >ancient hardware.
> >And you're only running with 256 mb to boot.
> I am actual running with less memory than that. I am not much of a > gamer. I use it mainly for paying bills, newsgroups, forums, > shopping, TV guide (Titan.com)
If you have less than 256MB, you have less RAM than most people need for adequate performance. But you reinforce the view that how much memory you need depends on what apps you run.
-- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Greg wrote: > modem question and modem string wanted
> Is it ok to have an isa modem and pci modem installed at the same > time?
> I have a dual boot system.
> 98se and xp.
Sure, note that both will take a comm port, so it would be best to disable any onboard comm ports via BIOS. You may have conflicts which might take some manual configuration in 9X.
> 98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem (cl-md56xx > cirrus logic)
> Windows xp does not.
> However, xp does recognize the ESS 1868 ISA sound card. > I hope that does not mean, I have to reinstall XP, so it will > recognize my modem. I did try the standard modem trick
> As far as the string wanted
> For 98se > What is the string to mute the modem volume and show the connection > speed, not the port speed.
> Greg
ISA isn't directly addressed in XP, and the modem may not "talk" properly to XP for it to be installed [requiring XP drivers]. If you're interested look for how to get ISA to work properly, and for an XP driver for the ISA modem. Note, however, that this modem doesn't seem to work in XP [or well from what I have found], its a softmodem.
The cl-md56xx Cirrus modem is an EARLY implementation of a Win-modem [controllerless] meaning it is a SOFTWARE modem [and works better with the 6.04 or later firmware upgrade, and many were under product recall]. It also uses Cirrus Logic's special set of AT commands, so standard Hayes commands may not work properly.
Command Output
AT i1 Reports the modem chip firmware revision.
AT i3 Reports the chipset name.
AT i7 Gives the version of the board manufacturer firmware.
AT i21 Gives the Cirrus Logic firmware revision.
AT i22 Gives the Cirrus Logic manufacturer name.
AT i23 Gives the Cirrus Logic product model.
AT +GMI? Identifies the modem manufacturer.
AT +GMM? Identifies the product model.
AT +GMR? Identifies the product revision.
AT&V may provide some information of commands available
Ln - Speaker Volume The modem sets the speaker volume control according to the parameter supplied. The parameter value, if valid, is written to S22 bits 0 and 1. L0 Low volume. L1 Low volume. (Default.) L2 Medium volume. L3 High volume. Result Codes:
OK n = 0 to 3. ERROR Otherwise.
Mn - Speaker Control This command selects when the speaker will be on or off. The parameter value, if valid, is written to S22 bits 2 and 3. M0 Speaker is always off. M1 Speaker is on during call establishment, but off when receiving carrier. (Default.) M2 Speaker is always on. M3 Speaker is off when receiving carrier and during dialing, but on during answering. Result Codes:
OK n = 0 to 3. ERROR Otherwise. [from a discussion on the particular modem]
Xn - Extended Result Codes: This command selects which subset of the result messages will be used by the modem to inform the DTE of the results of commands. Blind dialling is enabled or disabled by country parameters. If the user wishes to enforce dial tone detection, a "W" can be placed in the dial string (see D command). Note that the information below is based upon the default implementation of the X results table. Table 3-1 indicates the messages which are enabled for each X value. If the modem is in facsimile mode (+FCLASS=1 or 2), the only message sent to indicate a connection is CONNECT without a speed indication. X0 Disables monitoring of busy tones unless forced otherwise by country requirements; send only OK, CONNECT, RING, NO CARRIER, ERROR, and NO ANSWER result codes. Blind dialling enabled/disabled by country parameters. If busy tone detection is enforced and busy tone is detected, NO CARRIER will be reported. If dial tone detection is enforced or selected and dial tone is not detected, NO CARRIER will be reported instead of NO DIAL TONE. The value 000b is written to S22 bits 6, 5, and 4, respectively. X1 Disables monitoring of busy tones unless forced otherwise by country requirements; send only OK, CONNECT, RING, NO CARRIER, ERROR, NO ANSWER, and CONNECT XXXX (XXXX = rate). Blind dialling enabled/disabled by country parameters. If busy tone detection is enforced and busy tone is detected, NO CARRIER will be reported instead of BUSY. If dial tone detection is enforced or selected and dial tone is not detected, NO CARRIER will be reported instead of NO DIAL TONE. The value 100b is written to S22 bits 6, 5, and 4, respectively. X2 Disables monitoring of busy tones unless forced otherwise by country requirements; send only OK, CONNECT, RING, NO CARRIER, ERROR, NO DIALTONE, NO ANSWER, and CONNECT XXXX. If busy tone detection is enforced and busy tone is detected, NO CARRIER will be reported instead of BUSY. If dial tone detection is enforced or selected and dial tone is not detected, NO DIAL TONE will be reported instead of NO CARRIER . The value 101b is written to S22 bits 6, 5, and 4, respectively. X3 Enables monitoring of busy tones; send only OK, CONNECT, RING, NO CARRIER, ERROR, NO ANSWER, and CONNECT XXXX. Blind dialling enabled/disabled by country parameters. If dial tone detection is enforced and dial tone is not detected, NO CARRIER will be reported. The value 110b is written to S22 bits 6, 5, and 4, respectively. X4 Enables monitoring of busy tones; send all messages. The value 111b is written to S22 bits 6, 5, and 4, respectively. (Default.) Result Codes:
OK n = 0 to 4. ERROR Otherwise. Table 3-1. Result Codes
Short Form Long Form | n Value in ATXn Command ------------------------------+----------------------------------- 0 1 2 3 4 0 OK x x x x x 1 CONNECT x x x x x 2 RING x x x x x 3 NO CARRIER x x x x x 4 ERROR x x x x x 5 CONNECT 1200 1 x x x x 6 NO DIALTONE 3 3 x x x 7 BUSY 3 3 3 x x 8 NO ANSWER x x x x x 9 CONNECT 0600 1 x x x x 10 CONNECT 2400 1 x x x x 11 CONNECT 4800 1 x x x x 12 CONNECT 9600 1 x x x x 13 CONNECT 7200 1 x x x x 14 CONNECT 12000 1 x x x x 15 CONNECT 14400 1 x x x x 16 CONNECT 19200 1 x x x x 17 CONNECT 38400 1 x x x x 18 CONNECT 57600 1 x x x x 22 CONNECT 1200TX/75RX 1 x x x x 23 CONNECT 75TX/1200RX 1 x x x x 24 DELAYED 4 4 4 4 x 32 BLACKLISTED 4 4 4 4 x 40 CARRIER 300 x 44 CARRIER 1200/75 x 45 CARRIER 75/1200 x 46 CARRIER 1200 x 47 CARRIER 2400 x 48 CARRIER 4800 x 49 CARRIER 7200 x 50 CARRIER 9600 x 51 CARRIER 12000 x 52 CARRIER 14400 x 66 COMPRESSION: CLASS 5 x 67 COMPRESSION: V.42 bis x 69 COMPRESSION: NONE x 76 PROTOCOL: NONE x 77 PROTOCOL: LAPM x 80 PROTOCOL: ALT x 81 PROTOCOL: ALT-CELLULAR x 33 FAX x x x x x +F4 +FCERROR x x x x x 35 DATA x x x x x
Note: An 'X' in a column indicates that the message (either the long form if verbose, or the value only for short form) will be generated when that particular value of 'n' (shown at the top of the column) has been selected by the use of ATXn. If the column is blank, then no message will be generated for that X option. A numeral indicates which less explicit message (verbose or short form) will be output [from Rockwell/Hayes command set information]
> The only reason I got xp, is so I can use flash to pay my > bills.
I believe javascript is used for such transactions, and not always - I can use PayPal with the OffByOne browser which does not do either javascript or flash.
Opera10USB runs flash9 perfectly on 98SE. AND javascript.
-- There are only two classifications of disk drives: Broken drives and those that will break later. - Chuck Armstrong
>> The only reason I got xp, is so I can use flash to pay my >> bills.
>I believe javascript is used for such transactions, and not >always - I can use PayPal with the OffByOne browser which does >not do either javascript or flash.
>Opera10USB runs flash9 perfectly on 98SE. AND javascript.
I read paypal is/was going to restrict browsers and some operating systems. It caused Versign to issue a greenbrowers plug in for firefox. I think paypal delayed because of the Linux and Mac crowd. It would cause major problems with them.
>Greg wrote: >> modem question and modem string wanted
>> Is it ok to have an isa modem and pci modem installed at the same >> time?
>> I have a dual boot system.
>> 98se and xp.
> Sure, note that both will take a comm port, so it would be best to >disable any onboard comm ports via BIOS. You may have conflicts which >might take some manual configuration in 9X.
>> 98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem (cl-md56xx >> cirrus logic)
>> Windows xp does not.
>> However, xp does recognize the ESS 1868 ISA sound card. >> I hope that does not mean, I have to reinstall XP, so it will >> recognize my modem. I did try the standard modem trick
>> As far as the string wanted
>> For 98se >> What is the string to mute the modem volume and show the connection >> speed, not the port speed.
>> Greg
> ISA isn't directly addressed in XP, and the modem may not "talk" >properly to XP for it to be installed [requiring XP drivers]. If you're >interested look for how to get ISA to work properly, and for an XP >driver for the ISA modem. Note, however, that this modem doesn't seem to >work in XP [or well from what I have found], its a softmodem.
> The cl-md56xx Cirrus modem is an EARLY implementation of a Win-modem >[controllerless] meaning it is a SOFTWARE modem [and works better with >the 6.04 or later firmware upgrade, and many were under product >recall]. It also uses Cirrus Logic's special set of AT commands, so >standard Hayes commands may not work properly.
I just ordered a modem again. This time, I made sure it would have drivers for both 98se and xp.
I think the only way xp would recognize it, is to do a reinstall or repair install of xp.
I think you might be write about the com ports.
98se Com port 1 (Maybe the mouse) Com port 2 (ISA modem) Com port 3 (maybe it was used for the old pci modem)
Xp Com port 1 (Maybe the mouse) Com port 2 (Unknown)
AT+M0,S22 (Put this in the extra modem settings)
I think the S code forces to show the connection speed, not the port speed. Not sure if I remember if that is correct.
To all, Does it hurt to have an ISA modem and a PCI modem installed at the same time? I would like to keep it installed for Puppy Linux.
Greg wrote: > On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:14:45 -0500, MEB <MEB-not-h...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
>> Greg wrote: >>> modem question and modem string wanted
>>> Is it ok to have an isa modem and pci modem installed at the same >>> time?
>>> I have a dual boot system.
>>> 98se and xp. >> Sure, note that both will take a comm port, so it would be best to >> disable any onboard comm ports via BIOS. You may have conflicts which >> might take some manual configuration in 9X.
>>> 98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem (cl-md56xx >>> cirrus logic)
>>> Windows xp does not.
>>> However, xp does recognize the ESS 1868 ISA sound card. >>> I hope that does not mean, I have to reinstall XP, so it will >>> recognize my modem. I did try the standard modem trick
>>> As far as the string wanted
>>> For 98se >>> What is the string to mute the modem volume and show the connection >>> speed, not the port speed.
>>> Greg >> ISA isn't directly addressed in XP, and the modem may not "talk" >> properly to XP for it to be installed [requiring XP drivers]. If you're >> interested look for how to get ISA to work properly, and for an XP >> driver for the ISA modem. Note, however, that this modem doesn't seem to >> work in XP [or well from what I have found], its a softmodem.
>> The cl-md56xx Cirrus modem is an EARLY implementation of a Win-modem >> [controllerless] meaning it is a SOFTWARE modem [and works better with >> the 6.04 or later firmware upgrade, and many were under product >> recall]. It also uses Cirrus Logic's special set of AT commands, so >> standard Hayes commands may not work properly.
> I just ordered a modem again. This time, I made sure it would have > drivers for both 98se and xp.
> I think the only way xp would recognize it, is to do a reinstall or > repair install of xp.
It may not have, even then...
> I think you might be write about the com ports.
> 98se > Com port 1 (Maybe the mouse) > Com port 2 (ISA modem) > Com port 3 (maybe it was used for the old pci modem)
Is it a serial mouse, then yes. If a PS2 then no.
> Xp > Com port 1 (Maybe the mouse) > Com port 2 (Unknown)
> AT+M0,S22 (Put this in the extra modem settings)
No comma, all commands are to be placed in one long string. The comma is generally a pause command.
So the init string may look like ATF0V1X4&K3E1M0W1&Q4\N3S46=138&W1 - etc.
> I think the S code forces to show the connection speed, not the port > speed. Not sure if I remember if that is correct.
S22 - Speaker/Results Bit Mapped Options Indicates the status of command options. Default: 117 (75h) (01110101b)
Bit 0,1 - Speaker volume (Ln) 0 Off (L0) 1 Low (L1) (Default.) 2 Medium (L2) 3 High (L3) Bit 2,3 - Speaker control (Mn) 0 Disabled (M0) 1 Off on carrier (M1) (Default.) 2 Always on (M2) 3 On during handshake (M3) Bit 4,5,6 - Limit result codes (Xn) 0 X0 4 X1 5 X2 6 X3 7 X4 (Default.) Bit 7 - Reserved
S95 - Extended Result Codes The bits in this register can be set to override some of the Wn command options. A bit set to a 1 in this register will enable the corresponding result code regardless of the Wn setting. Also, refer to Table 3-1. Default: 0
Bit 0 CONNECT result code indicates DCE speed instead of DTE speed. Bit 1 Append/ARQ to CONNECT XXXX result code in error-correction mode (XXXX = rate; see Table 3-1). Bit 2 Enable CARRIER XXXX result code (XXXX = rate; see Table 3-1). Bit 3 Enable PROTOCOL XXXX result code (XXXX = protocol identifier; see Table 3-1). Bit 4 Reserved. Bit 5 Enable COMPRESSION result code (XXXX = compression type; see Table 3-1). Bit 6 Reserved. Bit 7 Reserved
> To all, > Does it hurt to have an ISA modem and a PCI modem installed at the > same time? I would like to keep it installed for Puppy Linux.
> Greg
Answered already. I used to run two myself, one for regular usage, another for dedicated Fax services [two line system] or with a single line [the USR Sportster Fax/Data 14400 for faxes as it tended to connect better with all the fax machines and modems]. Note: you *may* have to disable some of the features or split them between the two internal modems. You can't (or shouldn't) have a single line and run two programs using two separate modems at the same time. BOTH may try to answer, or the Fax/Data signaling [monitoring] may interfere with the other program [even though they are on separate comm ports]. Most comm programs have the option to choose which device you want to use, so pick which one when starting. Its MUCH easier to use an internal and external [turn off when not in use].
Does your modem have jumpers? Does it have RAM (61xxx or 62xxx) and EPROM/EEPROM (27xxx or 29xxx) chips?
>Windows xp does not.
>However, xp does recognize the ESS 1868 ISA sound card. >I hope that does not mean, I have to reinstall XP, so it will >recognize my modem. I did try the standard modem trick
>As far as the string wanted
>For 98se >What is the string to mute the modem volume and show the connection >speed, not the port speed.
W2 should show the DCE speed.
The speaker control commands should be generic Hayes, ie Mn and Ln.
> Does your modem have jumpers? Does it have RAM (61xxx or 62xxx) and > EPROM/EEPROM (27xxx or 29xxx) chips?
>> Windows xp does not.
>> However, xp does recognize the ESS 1868 ISA sound card. >> I hope that does not mean, I have to reinstall XP, so it will >> recognize my modem. I did try the standard modem trick
>> As far as the string wanted
>> For 98se >> What is the string to mute the modem volume and show the connection >> speed, not the port speed.
> W2 should show the DCE speed.
> The speaker control commands should be generic Hayes, ie Mn and Ln.
Good info Franc... being it was an ISA not PCI I provided the AT commands to obtain the information to identify the particular device, chipset, and other information.
The ISA information I found appeared to claim this was a software modem, though that appears potentially wrong according to the webarchive link, as well as my indication of non-standard command set. Hmm, I should have dug a little deeper.
The other information and commands seem to be correct.
Franc Zabkar wrote: > > 98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem > > (cl-md56xx cirrus logic)
> The xx is important. Some 56xx modems were controllerless, > others had a hardware controller.
I'm fairly certain that _no_ ISA-based modems were controllerless.
The best modems were in fact ISA-based, because they always had on-board processors and did all the communication work themselves, as opposed to controller-less modems (which as a rule were are all PCI-based modems).
The OP is advised to remove the PCI modem and get XP to recognize the ISA modem. His anemic system doesn't need extra load of dealing with a controller-less modem.
> > CPU speed and internal cache are important if we're dealing with > > such ancient hardware.
> Amount of RAM is far more important.
Sorry. You can't simply dismiss CPU type or clock speed and say it's less important than installed ram.
If you optimize XP (remove a lot of running services and do a few other things) then you can run XP on 256 mb. It helps if you have a fast hard drive and controller, and AGP-4x or faster video.
But the CPU can be a show-stopper even with 512 mb or 1 gb of memory.
I don't care how much ram you have - XP on anything less than an 800 mh P-3 will be a dog.
And it doesn't matter if it's Sp1 or SP2 or SP3. There is no real difference in speed of SP1 compared to SP2:
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:30:17 -0500, 98 Guy <9...@Guy.com> wrote: > "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
> > > CPU speed and internal cache are important if we're dealing with > > > such ancient hardware.
> > Amount of RAM is far more important.
> Sorry. You can't simply dismiss CPU type or clock speed and say it's > less important than installed ram.
> If you optimize XP (remove a lot of running services and do a few other > things) then you can run XP on 256 mb. It helps if you have a fast hard > drive and controller, and AGP-4x or faster video.
> But the CPU can be a show-stopper even with 512 mb or 1 gb of memory.
> I don't care how much ram you have - XP on anything less than an 800 mh > P-3 will be a dog.
Sorry, but I disagree with both of you. What hardware you need for acceptable performance depends very greatly on what apps you run.
My wife is a perfect example. She used to run Windows XP on an extremely low-power machine--a 400MHz CPU with 256MB of RAM. She was completely satisfied with its performance and turned me down whenever I proposed upgrading it for her.
Why was she satisfied with such a low-power machine? Because all she did was e-mail, an occasional web search, and solitaire (and *very* occasionally created a simple word processing document). And I know several other people with very light computer use who are also satisfied with low-power machines.
-- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup
<kbl...@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote: >On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:30:17 -0500, 98 Guy <9...@Guy.com> wrote:
>> "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
>> > > CPU speed and internal cache are important if we're dealing with >> > > such ancient hardware.
>> > Amount of RAM is far more important.
>> Sorry. You can't simply dismiss CPU type or clock speed and say it's >> less important than installed ram.
>> If you optimize XP (remove a lot of running services and do a few other >> things) then you can run XP on 256 mb. It helps if you have a fast hard >> drive and controller, and AGP-4x or faster video.
>> But the CPU can be a show-stopper even with 512 mb or 1 gb of memory.
>> I don't care how much ram you have - XP on anything less than an 800 mh >> P-3 will be a dog.
>Sorry, but I disagree with both of you. What hardware you need for >acceptable performance depends very greatly on what apps you run.
>My wife is a perfect example. She used to run Windows XP on an >extremely low-power machine--a 400MHz CPU with 256MB of RAM. She was >completely satisfied with its performance and turned me down whenever >I proposed upgrading it for her.
>Why was she satisfied with such a low-power machine? Because all she >did was e-mail, an occasional web search, and solitaire (and *very* >occasionally created a simple word processing document). And I know >several other people with very light computer use who are also >satisfied with low-power machines.
I agree.
The reason for a PCI graphic card, was my onboard video card was acting up. (I know it is a sign of my motherboard going bad. I just hope it can hold up tell tax time).
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:08:56 -0500, 98 Guy <9...@Guy.com> wrote: >Franc Zabkar wrote:
>> > 98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem >> > (cl-md56xx cirrus logic)
>> The xx is important. Some 56xx modems were controllerless, >> others had a hardware controller.
>I'm fairly certain that _no_ ISA-based modems were controllerless.
>The best modems were in fact ISA-based, because they always had on-board >processors and did all the communication work themselves, as opposed to >controller-less modems (which as a rule were are all PCI-based modems).
>The OP is advised to remove the PCI modem and get XP to recognize the >ISA modem. His anemic system doesn't need extra load of dealing with a >controller-less modem.
Controller-less modems work fine. It is the ISA modem that does not in xp. I tried everything (Short of reinstalling xp). xp didn't reorganized the modem.
Greg wrote: > The reason for a PCI graphic card, was my onboard video card > was acting up. (I know it is a sign of my motherboard going > bad. I just hope it can hold up tell tax time).
What motherboard with ISA slots has on-board video???
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