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After running 98se on an old VIA MVP3 system for 10 years, and it never being particularly stable, I turned off ACPI in the BIOS, rebooted 98se and it redetected all the hardware.
System is running fine, not sure if the underlying problems have been mitigated or not. I never really used any power options (eg. standby, disk sleep ) just monitor sleep.
Any other pros and cons I should be aware of? Any other ramification of reverting to the "standard PC" ?
davexnet wrote: > After running 98se on an old VIA MVP3 system for 10 years, > and it never being particularly stable, I turned off ACPI in the BIOS, > rebooted 98se and it redetected all the hardware.
> System is running fine, not sure if the underlying problems have > been mitigated or not. I never really used any power options > (eg. standby, disk sleep ) just monitor sleep.
> Any other pros and cons I should be aware of? > Any other ramification of reverting to the "standard PC" ?
> TIA for any info.
Here's my opinion, others may feel otherwise.
The implementations within older coded chipsets supposedly supporting ACPI were generally flawed and/or limited to start with. So was the support within most adapters and other. Unless you had one of the few systems where everything supported full ACPI [completely] its usage generally produced, as you noted, unstable systems to lesser or greater extents. Moreover, unless you had an actual need where you have applied a battery backup system or other, it wasn't all that useful [unless needed for resource assignment purposes, ACPI assignments are handled somewhat differently].
Using standard motherboard BOIS/PCI/support seemed to produce more stable systems. The qualifier was whether a notebook/laptop [useful and generally required] verses a desktop [not necessarily needed].
Your usage of monitor "sleep" does not require ACPI or APM, as that activity is controlled in a different fashion, nor should you use any BIOS supplied power settings related to that. My usual settings were no ACPI and no APM, though Win9X will attempt to install anyway during initial setup with many boards. Those motherboards can be forced to use a standard BIOS/motherboard by using Device Manager in Safe Mode to remove all System Devices [after making sure BIOS settings are off] and restarting, though all PCI/ISA devices will be re-detected or may need re-installation of software/drivers. Make sure you have either copied all cabs to the Windows/Options/Cabs folder and associated that via the registry with modification, or your CD is available, *and* you have any drivers/software you might need. OR, by using specific command options during initial setup.
Of course, that's not fully supportive of "Green" activity when these are disabled or not used.
> davexnet wrote: > > After running 98se on an old VIA MVP3 system for 10 years, > > and it never being particularly stable, I turned off ACPI in the BIOS, > > rebooted 98se and it redetected all the hardware.
> > System is running fine, not sure if the underlying problems have > > been mitigated or not. I never really used any power options > > (eg. standby, disk sleep ) just monitor sleep.
> > Any other pros and cons I should be aware of? > > Any other ramification of reverting to the "standard PC" ?
> > TIA for any info.
> Here's my opinion, others may feel otherwise.
> The implementations within older coded chipsets supposedly supporting > ACPI were generally flawed and/or limited to start with. So was the > support within most adapters and other. Unless you had one of the few > systems where everything supported full ACPI [completely] its usage > generally produced, as you noted, unstable systems to lesser or greater > extents. > Moreover, unless you had an actual need where you have applied a > battery backup system or other, it wasn't all that useful [unless needed > for resource assignment purposes, ACPI assignments are handled somewhat > differently].
> Using standard motherboard BOIS/PCI/support seemed to produce more > stable systems. The qualifier was whether a notebook/laptop [useful and > generally required] verses a desktop [not necessarily needed].
> Your usage of monitor "sleep" does not require ACPI or APM, as that > activity is controlled in a different fashion, nor should you use any > BIOS supplied power settings related to that. > My usual settings were no ACPI and no APM, though Win9X will attempt to > install anyway during initial setup with many boards. Those motherboards > can be forced to use a standard BIOS/motherboard by using Device Manager > in Safe Mode to remove all System Devices [after making sure BIOS > settings are off] and restarting, though all PCI/ISA devices will be > re-detected or may need re-installation of software/drivers. Make sure > you have either copied all cabs to the Windows/Options/Cabs folder and > associated that via the registry with modification, or your CD is > available, *and* you have any drivers/software you might need. > OR, by using specific command options during initial setup.
> Of course, that's not fully supportive of "Green" activity when these > are disabled or not used.
Thanks for the info - the change was painless, I long had the \win98 install folder on the hard drive. The reason I fudged with it after all this time is a problem I couldn't resolve in 98se, the mouse pointer would disappear at random times, followed by the system locking up.
It's a dual boot box, 98se and Win2k. The settings in the bios when both systems were installed were acpi=on and pnpos=no. 98se installed with ACPI, while Win2k bypassed it and installed the "standard PC".
I just set ACPI=off and PNPOS=yes (not sure about that one) in the BIOS. Win2k didn't react at all to these changes, but 98se reinstalled all it's devices, and I had to manually reinstall the video driver to resolve a problem. Since then 98se has not had the problem I mentioned.
davexnet wrote: > "MEB" <MEB-not-h...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:ufs0okwXKHA.504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> davexnet wrote: >>> After running 98se on an old VIA MVP3 system for 10 years, >>> and it never being particularly stable, I turned off ACPI in the BIOS, >>> rebooted 98se and it redetected all the hardware.
>>> System is running fine, not sure if the underlying problems have >>> been mitigated or not. I never really used any power options >>> (eg. standby, disk sleep ) just monitor sleep.
>>> Any other pros and cons I should be aware of? >>> Any other ramification of reverting to the "standard PC" ?
>>> TIA for any info.
>> Here's my opinion, others may feel otherwise.
>> The implementations within older coded chipsets supposedly supporting >> ACPI were generally flawed and/or limited to start with. So was the >> support within most adapters and other. Unless you had one of the few >> systems where everything supported full ACPI [completely] its usage >> generally produced, as you noted, unstable systems to lesser or greater >> extents. >> Moreover, unless you had an actual need where you have applied a >> battery backup system or other, it wasn't all that useful [unless needed >> for resource assignment purposes, ACPI assignments are handled somewhat >> differently].
>> Using standard motherboard BOIS/PCI/support seemed to produce more >> stable systems. The qualifier was whether a notebook/laptop [useful and >> generally required] verses a desktop [not necessarily needed].
>> Your usage of monitor "sleep" does not require ACPI or APM, as that >> activity is controlled in a different fashion, nor should you use any >> BIOS supplied power settings related to that. >> My usual settings were no ACPI and no APM, though Win9X will attempt to >> install anyway during initial setup with many boards. Those motherboards >> can be forced to use a standard BIOS/motherboard by using Device Manager >> in Safe Mode to remove all System Devices [after making sure BIOS >> settings are off] and restarting, though all PCI/ISA devices will be >> re-detected or may need re-installation of software/drivers. Make sure >> you have either copied all cabs to the Windows/Options/Cabs folder and >> associated that via the registry with modification, or your CD is >> available, *and* you have any drivers/software you might need. >> OR, by using specific command options during initial setup.
>> Of course, that's not fully supportive of "Green" activity when these >> are disabled or not used.
>> -- >> MEB >> http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm >> Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking >> http://peoplescounsel.org >> The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government >> ___--- > Thanks for the info - the change was painless, I long had the \win98 install > folder > on the hard drive. The reason I fudged with it after all this time is a > problem I couldn't > resolve in 98se, the mouse pointer would disappear at random times, followed > by the system > locking up.
> It's a dual boot box, 98se and Win2k. The settings in the bios when both > systems were installed > were acpi=on and pnpos=no. 98se installed with ACPI, while Win2k bypassed > it and installed > the "standard PC".
> I just set ACPI=off and PNPOS=yes (not sure about that one) in the BIOS. > Win2k didn't react at all to these > changes, but 98se reinstalled all it's devices, and I had to manually > reinstall the video driver > to resolve a problem. Since then 98se has not had the problem I mentioned.
Yeah, setting PnP OS installed does make a difference in 9X. PnP allows Windows to reset some of the resources and the BIOS calls follow along. Non-PnP OS installed allows you to manually change the IRQs and some resources for conflicts like sound and network adapters or the like. Although some manual changes can be done with PnP on, Windows usually tries to reset them. W2K is another "ball game" altogether.
As for the mouse and lockup issue, too late to care now... glad it worked out for you.