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Apologies for being OT, but that may not always be the case.
Three of my favorite groups now are 70-80% spam, so it's difficult to see what the real chatter is.
Everybody on these sites don't seem to mind because they set a filter in their browser. I can't. It sometimes takes three pages of screen just to view the 14 new postings.
There are comments that their complaints go unheeded by 'the powers that be' because the spam comes from their own users.
Whoever has to store all this spam in an archive is the one paying for the spam ...with no gain. So, my questions are, "Who stores internet archives? Who ultimately is paying for the bulk storage of the spam? And, how to reach them to encourage them to help stop this spam?"
Any news server that doesn't filter the spam is storing it and paying for that storage. Of course, different servers store messages for different lengths of time, ranging from days to months.
Ditto for the news scrapers. Generally, their spam filters reject more than most news servers, but they will store everything that gets past the filter according to their own storage rules. And of course the archiving scrapers store that for a long time. It's possible that they can crawl their own archives with updated spam identifiers (for instance, identical messages that don't look like spam on their own, only as a group) but I have no idea whether or not they do this.
If spam is an issue you should take it up with your ISP, or get a new ISP for your news. The smaller ISPs tend to be more sensitive to spam because they feel the cost more directly, and they _might_ manage their spam filters more effectively. -- Jeff Richards ----------------------------------------
> Apologies for being OT, but that may not always be the case.
> Three of my favorite groups now are 70-80% spam, so it's difficult to > see what the real chatter is.
> Everybody on these sites don't seem to mind because they set a filter > in their browser. I can't. It sometimes takes three pages of screen > just to view the 14 new postings.
> There are comments that their complaints go unheeded by 'the powers > that be' because the spam comes from their own users.
> Whoever has to store all this spam in an archive is the one paying for > the spam ...with no gain. So, my questions are, "Who stores internet > archives? Who ultimately is paying for the bulk storage of the spam? > And, how to reach them to encourage them to help stop this spam?"
Robert A. Macy wrote: > Apologies for being OT, but that may not always be the case.
> Three of my favorite groups now are 70-80% spam, so it's difficult to > see what the real chatter is.
> Everybody on these sites don't seem to mind because they set a filter > in their browser. I can't. It sometimes takes three pages of screen > just to view the 14 new postings.
> There are comments that their complaints go unheeded by 'the powers > that be' because the spam comes from their own users.
> Whoever has to store all this spam in an archive is the one paying for > the spam ...with no gain. So, my questions are, "Who stores internet > archives? Who ultimately is paying for the bulk storage of the spam? > And, how to reach them to encourage them to help stop this spam?"
> Robert
I'm sure we would all be able to relate to your problem. Jeff followed your "Who", so I'll go another way.
What browser [apparently you're discussing web interfaced groups ("set a filter in their browser")], perhaps there might be some way to address the filtering via add-in or otherwise?
MEB wrote: > Robert A. Macy wrote: >> Apologies for being OT, but that may not always be the case.
>> Three of my favorite groups now are 70-80% spam, so it's difficult to >> see what the real chatter is.
>> Everybody on these sites don't seem to mind because they set a filter >> in their browser. I can't. It sometimes takes three pages of screen >> just to view the 14 new postings.
>> There are comments that their complaints go unheeded by 'the powers >> that be' because the spam comes from their own users.
>> Whoever has to store all this spam in an archive is the one paying for >> the spam ...with no gain. So, my questions are, "Who stores internet >> archives? Who ultimately is paying for the bulk storage of the spam? >> And, how to reach them to encourage them to help stop this spam?"
>> Robert
Excuse the second tacked on, but your post struck some interest with me, so a little digging - IE, Opera, Safari, Firefox ways [others]:
"Robert A. Macy" wrote: > Three of my favorite groups now are 70-80% spam, so it's difficult > to see what the real chatter is.
No responses so far are addressing the real problem that you are experiencing.
The real problem is that you are reading and posting to usenet via google groups.
Google is notoriously bad at filtering usenet spam.
I should also point out that many people on usenet take a very dim view to people that post to usenet via google groups. You are known as a "google grouper", and your usenet IQ is deemed to be very low, and your postings to usenet are considered as unworthy to be read. Many people filter google-groupers automatically, so as not to be subjected to your posts. That is not my opinion - it's just a widespread fact.
You are well advised to use a real news reading / posting program, and point it to any number of paid and free news servers. For a start, you could use the server I use - news.aioe.org (which is a free, public-access server).
>Apologies for being OT, but that may not always be the case.
>Three of my favorite groups now are 70-80% spam, so it's difficult to >see what the real chatter is.
>Everybody on these sites don't seem to mind because they set a filter >in their browser. I can't. It sometimes takes three pages of screen >just to view the 14 new postings.
Assuming you're reading actual Usenet groups (or the equivalent like these microsoft.public.* groups), DON'T use a web interface. use a newsreader like OE, or Thunderbird (www.mozilla.org/thunderbird), or Agent (www.forteinc.com/agent). Then set up a killfile and you won't see whoever you don't want to see.
Or: Agent works very well, and *very* quickly from the keyboard. Just beating on the delete key makes a ton of spam disappear instantly. The others probably have similar functionality.
Tim Slattery wrote: > set up a killfile and you won't see whoever you don't want to see.
It's not clear if the OP is experiencing true usenet spam (ie - material posted by autonomous, automated processes or programs) or if he means there are certain threads that are "spammy" (to him personally) or there are certain people that again post what he considers to be spam.
Again, reading usenet via google groups is a very bad way to deal with all the above forms of "spam".
With a real newsreader connected to a real nntp server, he would experience a huge reduction in true spam, and can select "ignore thread" when he encounters a thread that he considers spammy, and finally he can kill-file specific posters.
Just a little reminder for those perhaps unfamiliar with the Usenet culture. There is a common suggestion: DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS. *Expect though*, that there will be those who MUST *tromp on the trolls* so the world knows what and who they are and/or to dispel whatever myth or falsehood may be involved. You can generally recognize a REAL troll or these other parties rather easily by what they consistently use [attacks against parties and their viable materials] and their type of posting style. These low-life Usenetters [note1], generally without anything of value to post and lacking the intelligence necessary to do so; they *WILL* attack [often several trolls and sockpuppets at a time] those posting viable materials attempting to take over the various groups for their own usage or to kill the respective group [a personal satisfaction to these types]; and to discredit viable parties and postings to whatever extent possible. There are also those who deliberately post false information with seemingly legitimate links or arguments, or who actually believe the "urban myths" regardless of ALL of the materials and arguments otherwise; it does not, however, change what these people are, the scum of Usenet and what will bring its ultimate demise.
Please read the below so you might have a better understanding of the various types of parties [there are other classifications], and what to expect within Usenet. Here's a hint, if the party posting is using their REAL name, you can likely, a least, consider their post *might* be of value, since what they post follows them to their REAL life. Note though: Usenet is also filled with Identity theft, so look for those parties including some method of verification of who they are.
Here's a well put idea taken from jonz, a dejanews user/troll's sig [per a discussion with this entity], who must have forgotten this *was* the sig being used, unless it was a sub-conscious admission and warning of what this party is/was:
""Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." - Gene Spafford,1992"
note1 - Not all Usenetters are trolls or such, but there ARE vast numbers of them throughout Usenet with apparently nothing better to do in their miserable and pathetic lives but to use the groups for their own inexorable and infantile amusement.
Just a little reminder for those perhaps unfamiliar with the Usenet culture. There is a common suggestion: DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS. *Expect though*, that there will be those who MUST *tromp on the trolls* so the world knows what and who they are and/or to dispel whatever myth or falsehood may be involved. You can generally recognize a REAL troll or these other parties rather easily by what they consistently use [attacks against parties and their viable materials] and their type of posting style. These low-life Usenetters [note1], generally without anything of value to post and lacking the intelligence necessary to do so; they *WILL* attack [often several trolls and sockpuppets at a time] those posting viable materials attempting to take over the various groups for their own usage or to kill the respective group [a personal satisfaction to these types]; and to discredit viable parties and postings to whatever extent possible. There are also those who deliberately post false information with seemingly legitimate links or arguments, or who actually believe the "urban myths" regardless of ALL of the materials and arguments otherwise; it does not, however, change what these people are, the scum of Usenet and what will bring its ultimate demise.
Please read the below so you might have a better understanding of the various types of parties [there are other classifications], and what to expect within Usenet. Here's a hint, if the party posting is using their REAL name, you can likely, a least, consider their post *might* be of value, since what they post follows them to their REAL life. Note though: Usenet is also filled with Identity theft, so look for those parties including some method of verification of who they are.
Here's a well put idea taken from jonz, a dejanews user/troll's sig [per a discussion with this entity], who must have forgotten this *was* the sig being used, unless it was a sub-conscious admission and warning of what this party is/was:
""Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." - Gene Spafford,1992"
note1 - Not all Usenetters are trolls or such, but there ARE vast numbers of them throughout Usenet with apparently nothing better to do in their miserable and pathetic lives but to use the groups for their own inexorable and infantile amusement.
Robert A. Macy wrote: > Apologies for being OT, but that may not always be the case.
> Three of my favorite groups now are 70-80% spam, so it's difficult to > see what the real chatter is.
> Everybody on these sites don't seem to mind because they set a filter > in their browser. I can't. It sometimes takes three pages of screen > just to view the 14 new postings.
> There are comments that their complaints go unheeded by 'the powers > that be' because the spam comes from their own users.
> Whoever has to store all this spam in an archive is the one paying for > the spam ...with no gain. So, my questions are, "Who stores internet > archives? Who ultimately is paying for the bulk storage of the spam? > And, how to reach them to encourage them to help stop this spam?"
> Robert
I use news.eternal-september.org
It's a free news server and they do a pretty decent job of filtering
> It's a free news server and they do a pretty decent job of > filtering
I read a recent comment by someone in another forum where he claimed that Microsoft's nntp server blocks posts that originate from the eternal-september.org server.
If that's true, then there are a lot of people that access this newsgroup through the MS server that are not seeing your posts.
> I read a recent comment by someone in another forum where he claimed > that Microsoft's nntp server blocks posts that originate from the > eternal-september.org server.
> If that's true, then there are a lot of people that access this > newsgroup through the MS server that are not seeing your posts.
>> It's a free news server and they do a pretty decent job of >> filtering
> I read a recent comment by someone in another forum where he claimed > that Microsoft's nntp server blocks posts that originate from the > eternal-september.org server.
> If that's true, then there are a lot of people that access this > newsgroup through the MS server that are not seeing your posts.
I see posts through eternal-september using the MS server OK.
The entity above, for which this post was applied to, has been repeatedly identified as troll and Usenet abuser. Please do NOT respond to this entity or what they post, This was an attempt by this entity to bring a useless discussion and will likely contain NOTHING of value, EVEN IF IT MAY APPEAR SO. Useless purported arguments will be submitted to which you are supposed to respond to so they can then have something to do. Moreover, will cause this entity to abuse any responders who take issue with what might be posted. I am creating web pages to show the exact reasons for this identification and will post links in this WARNING as they are added. Note specifically the parties which engage in discussion with this party. The terms related to this activity are troll and sockpuppets.
> Robert A. Macy wrote: > > Apologies for being OT, but that may not always be the case.
> > Three of my favorite groups now are 70-80% spam, so it's difficult to > > see what the real chatter is.
> > Everybody on these sites don't seem to mind because they set a filter > > in their browser. I can't. It sometimes takes three pages of screen > > just to view the 14 new postings.
> > There are comments that their complaints go unheeded by 'the powers > > that be' because the spam comes from their own users.
> > Whoever has to store all this spam in an archive is the one paying for > > the spam ...with no gain. So, my questions are, "Who stores internet > > archives? Who ultimately is paying for the bulk storage of the spam? > > And, how to reach them to encourage them to help stop this spam?"
> > Robert
> I use news.eternal-september.org
> It's a free news server and they do a pretty decent job of filtering
Registered, ID, password, but where's the newsgroups?
>> It's a free news server and they do a pretty decent job of >> filtering
>I read a recent comment by someone in another forum where he claimed >that Microsoft's nntp server blocks posts that originate from the >eternal-september.org server.
Apparently not true. I use msnews.microsoft.com and I saw OPs post. So MS is not killing posts from eternal-september.org.
In message <0bcf53dc-8a02-48f4-84d9-c422fbd4e...@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Robert A. Macy <m...@california.com> writes:
>On Oct 28, 2:38 pm, philo <ph...@privacy.invalid> wrote: [] >> I use news.eternal-september.org
>> It's a free news server and they do a pretty decent job of filtering
>Registered, ID, password, but where's the newsgroups?
I assume you mean you've registered with them, and received an email with a password, but can't see any newsgroups (I presume you're posting to this one via some other means).
You need to (a) set your news software to _use_ password authentication, and enter the password they sent you, and (b) tell it to do a new download of the list of newsgroups. I think you're using Opera and I can't tell you how to do those things in that.
Apologies if you've already done all that. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously outdated thoughts on PCs. **
The most wasted of all days is one without laughter. -e.e. cummings, poet (1894-1962)
<G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote: > In message > <0bcf53dc-8a02-48f4-84d9-c422fbd4e...@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, > Robert A. Macy <m...@california.com> writes:
> >On Oct 28, 2:38 pm, philo <ph...@privacy.invalid> wrote: > [] > >> I use news.eternal-september.org
> >> It's a free news server and they do a pretty decent job of filtering
> >Registered, ID, password, but where's the newsgroups?
> I assume you mean you've registered with them, and received an email > with a password, but can't see any newsgroups (I presume you're posting > to this one via some other means).
> You need to (a) set your news software to _use_ password authentication, > and enter the password they sent you, and (b) tell it to do a new > download of the list of newsgroups. I think you're using Opera and I > can't tell you how to do those things in that.
> Apologies if you've already done all that. > -- > J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf > **http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htmfor ludicrously > outdated thoughts on PCs. **
> The most wasted of all days is one without laughter. -e.e. cummings, poet > (1894-1962)
What is "news software"?
Yes, use Opera. Have password, apparently able to log on, but can't find any newsgroups,
>> Opera is listed there, but can't seem to find any way to use it.
>I don't know what nntp server you're trying to use, but if you want to >keep things simple, then use the server news.aioe.org.
>No signup or username/password is required.
>Use the standard NNTP port 119. No encryption.
The eternal-september server does require a username/password. The OP seems to be have entered those, but can't see newsgroups; I presume he has to tell Opera to download a new set of newsgroups from the new server.
>I don't use Opera. I use Netscape Communicator 4.79:
I used the email part of N4.x at work a few years back; not a bad client, and I only stopped because we migrated to an Outlook server model. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously outdated thoughts on PCs. **
"I'm a self-made man, but I think if I had to do it over again, I'd call in someone else." - Roland Young
> >> Opera is listed there, but can't seem to find any way to use it.
> >I don't know what nntp server you're trying to use, but if you want to > >keep things simple, then use the server news.aioe.org.
> >No signup or username/password is required.
> >Use the standard NNTP port 119. No encryption.
> The eternal-september server does require a username/password. The OP > seems to be have entered those, but can't see newsgroups; I presume he > has to tell Opera to download a new set of newsgroups from the new > server.
> >I don't use Opera. I use Netscape Communicator 4.79:
> I used the email part of N4.x at work a few years back; not a bad > client, and I only stopped because we migrated to an Outlook server > model. > -- > J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf > **http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htmfor ludicrously > outdated thoughts on PCs. **
> "I'm a self-made man, but I think if I had to do it over again, I'd call in > someone else." - Roland Young
yes, i signed up, they gave me a port number like you just gave for aloe.org, but it's not obvious what to do with that port number.
>On Nov 1, 6:07 am, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk> >wrote: >> snip >> The eternal-september server does require a username/password. The OP >> seems to be have entered those, but can't see newsgroups; I presume >> he >> has to tell Opera to download a new set of newsgroups from the new >> server. >> snip
> yes, i signed up, they gave me a port number like you just gave for > aloe.org, but it's not obvious what to do with that port number.
I dunno what version of Opera you are using, but here, on Opera 10.x, click the Tools menu> Mail and Chat Accounts. That opens the 'Manage Accounts' sheet. Select the NNTP account and click the Edit button. The info provided to you by your news provider goes on the General and Servers tabs. Click OK and Close when done.
After that, you should be able to click the Mail menu> Newsgroups, and choose the groups you which you want to read, or subscribe. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 A+ http://dts-l.net/
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