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I have just installed W98se in VMWare just for playing original Commandos series.
But I couldn't find a way to increase graphics quality since there is no 98 drivers for my graphics card; Ati Radeon 3850. I'm stuck with "Standart PCI Graphics Adaptor" with 640*480 res. & 16 (yes, sixteen) colors.
Do you know any way? I am not aiming for performance; I just want to play old games.
sabun wrote: > I have just installed W98se in VMWare just for playing original > Commandos series.
> But I couldn't find a way to increase graphics quality since there is no > 98 drivers for my graphics card; Ati Radeon 3850. I'm stuck with > "Standart PCI Graphics Adaptor" with 640*480 res. & 16 (yes, sixteen) > colors.
> Do you know any way? I am not aiming for performance; I just want to > play old games.
> But I couldn't find a way to increase graphics quality since there is no 98 drivers for my graphics card; Ati Radeon 3850. I'm > stuck with "Standart PCI Graphics Adaptor" with 640*480 res. & 16 (yes, sixteen) colors.
You don't want to install drivers for your physical hardware. The video adapter is emulated in the virtual machine as is most of the hardware. Does your virtual 98 install allow you to change resolution or is just the game that you are having problems with? FWIW, all my Virtual PC installs allow 32-bit color, and for the short time I ran VMWare Player it did too.
What OS are you running this on? If you use the Microsoft VM you will not need W98 drivers for your graphics card and you will get the full size and color depth that it is capable of. -- Jeff Richards ----------------------------------------
>I have just installed W98se in VMWare just for playing original Commandos >series.
> But I couldn't find a way to increase graphics quality since there is no > 98 drivers for my graphics card; Ati Radeon 3850. I'm stuck with "Standart > PCI Graphics Adaptor" with 640*480 res. & 16 (yes, sixteen) colors.
> Do you know any way? I am not aiming for performance; I just want to play > old games.
Latest Radeon drivers for Win98/ME give support up to Radeon 9800; since my HD 3850 belongs to next generation I cannot use them. Furthermore, there is a driver named "Radeon Series" fails on installation. Lately (It was 0300 in the night, btw) I have discovered "VMWare add-ons; a generic graphics dirver gives support to higher resolutions and deeper colors.
Then I have face a greater problem; I could not installed DirectX ! I have tried each and every version of DirectX; from 6.0 to 9.0c. I seems every installation was ok; but whenever I tried to run games two different error messages salutes me; "I can not find Directx 5" (a unique error log for Commandos: BEL) and more common "Directx Initialization Error" for Commandos: COD)
I did not try any other games to test, though... Just uninstalled everyhing the emulator, the OS, the games, everthing (*).
@Jeff;
I did not know that; I will give it a try, thank you.
(*) My wife hates my computer more than I love it... God, dude, if you are have not so; do no install tha unique, so-called-tailor-made wife 1.0 OS in your Home Computer. Girlfirend 7.0 is more common but promises much more flexibilities!
> I have just installed W98se in VMWare just for playing original Commandos > series.
> But I couldn't find a way to increase graphics quality since there is no > 98 drivers for my graphics card; Ati Radeon 3850. I'm stuck with "Standart > PCI Graphics Adaptor" with 640*480 res. & 16 (yes, sixteen) colors.
> Do you know any way? I am not aiming for performance; I just want to play > old games.
> Then I have face a greater problem; I could not installed DirectX ! I have > tried each and every version of DirectX; from 6.0 to 9.0c. I seems every > installation was ok; but whenever I tried to run games two different error > messages salutes me; "I can not find Directx 5" (a unique error log for > Commandos: BEL) and more common "Directx Initialization Error" for > Commandos: COD)
DirectX v.9 runs OK under Win98 (with Radeon 9200SE adapter) (not in a Virtual Machine: for this shell you may get better help in a WinXP NG.)
-- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada)
I think the Directx problem is not related to OS or itself; it is related to games. I've read and faced so many probles with first two games of the series. The main problem is that: anyhow, playing speed of Commandos: Behind Enemy Lines directly related to CPU speed. Speed of gameplay increases as per CPU power; if you have a dual-core 3.0 Ghz processor, everthing is in the game moves at incredible speeds which makes game unplayable.
There are various ways to slow your expensive CPU down; there are lots of utilities for that. But the are not aiming one specific program; it affects all system. I am aware of the golden rule: "do not touch a running system". I will not install some 250 kb exes to slow down my CPU speed; since I do not know the consquences.
I read that some guy made a special program to slow down the game; another one says that program it ruined the graphics card someway, hence skipping.
The games require only 200 hz processor power, just like Windows 9x. I know there are drivers for XP for my graphics card. Bu as I said above I do not know the consequences I have no idea what would be happen if I try to use XP with a 200 hz CPU even in a virtual drive.
Maybe I should go to my summer house, find that old PC, bring it home and play the game, it would be much more easy way to follow...
>> Then I have face a greater problem; I could not installed DirectX ! I >> have >> tried each and every version of DirectX; from 6.0 to 9.0c. I seems every >> installation was ok; but whenever I tried to run games two different >> error >> messages salutes me; "I can not find Directx 5" (a unique error log for >> Commandos: BEL) and more common "Directx Initialization Error" for >> Commandos: COD)
> DirectX v.9 runs OK under Win98 (with Radeon 9200SE adapter) > (not in a Virtual Machine: for this shell you may get better help > in a WinXP NG.)
sabun wrote: > I think the Directx problem is not related to OS or itself; it is > related to games. I've read and faced so many probles with first two > games of the series. The main problem is that: anyhow, playing speed of > Commandos: Behind Enemy Lines directly related to CPU speed. Speed of > gameplay increases as per CPU power; if you have a dual-core 3.0 Ghz > processor, everthing is in the game moves at incredible speeds which > makes game unplayable.
[Glad you found the generic, usable driver]
You may be running across similar problems to issues in Wine, and some other VM and/or emulators. Using DirectX and like, requires some tweaks to make it work properly. One item found, is that the 8+ series sub-versions of DirectX have been fully tested [for the most part] and allowed for, whereas when running the 9X activities, the DirectX 9.0 versions and allowances are a bit flaky. Even some games balk when using 9.0,; designed for more for 6.0 or 7.0 and which 8.0 was still compatible.
Yes, I am familiar with the speed issues, and you are somewhat correct regarding affecting the whole system, including graphics, since it is part of the "speed" of the game. IIRC, these speed reducers generally work on the code execution speed, adding pauses or similar... so naturally these also affect graphics. But I seem to remember that the early Commandos had a software video driver available{?}, which actually worked well with faster processors as a work around [negating hardware acceleration, thereby slowing the speed]. And wasn't there a setting within the setup/options to slow game speed directly [maybe that was a commandline option]? Sorry, I don't have those installed now, nor have I installed them for some time [and no room to do so presently].
I think I used to run these on faster systems using Game Guru maybe, which had a number of tweaks for various games and systems available...
> There are various ways to slow your expensive CPU down; there are lots > of utilities for that. But the are not aiming one specific program; it > affects all system. I am aware of the golden rule: "do not touch a > running system". I will not install some 250 kb exes to slow down my CPU > speed; since I do not know the consquences.
> I read that some guy made a special program to slow down the game; > another one says that program it ruined the graphics card someway, hence > skipping.
> The games require only 200 hz processor power, just like Windows 9x. I > know there are drivers for XP for my graphics card. Bu as I said above I > do not know the consequences I have no idea what would be happen if I > try to use XP with a 200 hz CPU even in a virtual drive.
> Maybe I should go to my summer house, find that old PC, bring it home > and play the game, it would be much more easy way to follow...
And that isn't a bad idea; a dedicated 9X games and applications machine. Strip it of any Internet junk, don't connect to the Internet or network and simply have fun. Remember, Microsoft touted the 9X platform as *the* GAMING OS... hundreds of games designed for it - and even older DOS games still usable...
> Latest Radeon drivers for Win98/ME give support up to Radeon 9800; since my HD 3850 belongs to next generation I cannot use them. > Furthermore, there is a driver named "Radeon Series" fails on installation.
If you mean within the 98 VM, then that's expected as the virtual machine does not control the physical video adapter. Think about it.. how would the host OS and the virtual guest OS be able to use two different adapters. VMWare is painting the screen the same way any other windows program does. If you get only "16 colors" it's because the guest OS doesn't have the correct settings or isn't properly configured for its virtual adapter. And that could be drivers, but not the drivers you need for the physical hardware. The virtual machine uses emulated hardware.
> Lately (It was 0300 in the night, btw) I have discovered "VMWare add-ons; a generic graphics dirver gives support to higher > resolutions and deeper colors.
There it is :-). A better driver for the virtual hardware.
>> Latest Radeon drivers for Win98/ME give support up to Radeon 9800; since my HD 3850 belongs to next generation I cannot use them. >> Furthermore, there is a driver named "Radeon Series" fails on installation.
> If you mean within the 98 VM, then that's expected as the virtual machine does > not control the physical video adapter. Think about it.. how would the host OS > and the virtual guest OS be able to use two different adapters. VMWare > is painting the screen the same way any other windows program does. If you > get only "16 colors" it's because the guest OS doesn't have the correct settings or > isn't properly configured for its virtual adapter. And that could be drivers, but > not the drivers you need for the physical hardware. The virtual machine uses > emulated hardware.
>> Lately (It was 0300 in the night, btw) I have discovered "VMWare add-ons; a generic graphics dirver gives support to higher >> resolutions and deeper colors.
> There it is :-). A better driver for the virtual hardware.
Cool, so can he then perhaps setup a lower speed for the emulated processor? Or do you know of some way that might work with the speed issue?
>>> Latest Radeon drivers for Win98/ME give support up to Radeon 9800; since my HD 3850 belongs to next generation I cannot use >>> them. >>> Furthermore, there is a driver named "Radeon Series" fails on installation.
>> If you mean within the 98 VM, then that's expected as the virtual machine does >> not control the physical video adapter. Think about it.. how would the host OS >> and the virtual guest OS be able to use two different adapters. VMWare >> is painting the screen the same way any other windows program does. If you >> get only "16 colors" it's because the guest OS doesn't have the correct settings or >> isn't properly configured for its virtual adapter. And that could be drivers, but >> not the drivers you need for the physical hardware. The virtual machine uses >> emulated hardware.
>>> Lately (It was 0300 in the night, btw) I have discovered "VMWare add-ons; a generic graphics dirver gives support to higher >>> resolutions and deeper colors.
>> There it is :-). A better driver for the virtual hardware.
> Cool, so can he then perhaps setup a lower speed for the emulated > processor? Or do you know of some way that might work with the speed issue?
I don't know as much about VMWare as Virtual PC, but in VPC the processor is a special case of sorts, and is not fully emulated. The virtual OS basically runs full out on the physical CPU. (That is, as much as the host OS allows any program, taking into account CPU time slice distributions.)
I don't know what effect it would have to install a program inside the VM that would "slow" the processor. I suspect it would work and it's definetly worth a try. It can't harm anything. Certainly not the physical hardware. Just back up the VM or don't "save it", if it gets trashed.
>>>> Latest Radeon drivers for Win98/ME give support up to Radeon 9800; since my HD 3850 belongs to next generation I cannot use >>>> them. >>>> Furthermore, there is a driver named "Radeon Series" fails on installation. >>> If you mean within the 98 VM, then that's expected as the virtual machine does >>> not control the physical video adapter. Think about it.. how would the host OS >>> and the virtual guest OS be able to use two different adapters. VMWare >>> is painting the screen the same way any other windows program does. If you >>> get only "16 colors" it's because the guest OS doesn't have the correct settings or >>> isn't properly configured for its virtual adapter. And that could be drivers, but >>> not the drivers you need for the physical hardware. The virtual machine uses >>> emulated hardware.
>>>> Lately (It was 0300 in the night, btw) I have discovered "VMWare add-ons; a generic graphics dirver gives support to higher >>>> resolutions and deeper colors. >>> There it is :-). A better driver for the virtual hardware.
>> Cool, so can he then perhaps setup a lower speed for the emulated >> processor? Or do you know of some way that might work with the speed issue?
> I don't know as much about VMWare as Virtual PC, but in VPC the processor is a special > case of sorts, and is not fully emulated. The virtual OS basically runs full out on > the physical CPU. (That is, as much as the host OS allows any program, taking into > account CPU time slice distributions.)
> I don't know what effect it would have to install a program inside the VM that would > "slow" the processor. I suspect it would work and it's definetly worth a try. It can't > harm anything. Certainly not the physical hardware. Just back up the VM or don't > "save it", if it gets trashed.
Sounds reasonable, about what I have found while researching some of the Linux variants...
Did you note any of the DirectX 9.0 issues in VPC or perhaps anything you might have noted regarding earlier versions of DirectX in it, or is that more specific to the older game usage perhaps? {of course that reflects you have run games, not saying you did or do, but it seems to be a reason many do use the VMs or emulators]
>>>>> Latest Radeon drivers for Win98/ME give support up to Radeon 9800; since my HD 3850 belongs to next generation I cannot use >>>>> them. >>>>> Furthermore, there is a driver named "Radeon Series" fails on installation. >>>> If you mean within the 98 VM, then that's expected as the virtual machine does >>>> not control the physical video adapter. Think about it.. how would the host OS >>>> and the virtual guest OS be able to use two different adapters. VMWare >>>> is painting the screen the same way any other windows program does. If you >>>> get only "16 colors" it's because the guest OS doesn't have the correct settings or >>>> isn't properly configured for its virtual adapter. And that could be drivers, but >>>> not the drivers you need for the physical hardware. The virtual machine uses >>>> emulated hardware.
>>>>> Lately (It was 0300 in the night, btw) I have discovered "VMWare add-ons; a generic graphics dirver gives support to higher >>>>> resolutions and deeper colors. >>>> There it is :-). A better driver for the virtual hardware.
>>> Cool, so can he then perhaps setup a lower speed for the emulated >>> processor? Or do you know of some way that might work with the speed issue?
>> I don't know as much about VMWare as Virtual PC, but in VPC the processor is a special >> case of sorts, and is not fully emulated. The virtual OS basically runs full out on >> the physical CPU. (That is, as much as the host OS allows any program, taking into >> account CPU time slice distributions.)
>> I don't know what effect it would have to install a program inside the VM that would >> "slow" the processor. I suspect it would work and it's definetly worth a try. It can't >> harm anything. Certainly not the physical hardware. Just back up the VM or don't >> "save it", if it gets trashed.
> Sounds reasonable, about what I have found while researching some of > the Linux variants...
> Did you note any of the DirectX 9.0 issues in VPC or perhaps anything > you might have noted regarding earlier versions of DirectX in it, or is > that more specific to the older game usage perhaps? {of course that > reflects you have run games, not saying you did or do, but it seems to > be a reason many do use the VMs or emulators]
The last game I ran was Quake. ;-)
Whatever version DirectX would have to be supported by the virtual video adapter. Commercial VM products such as VMWare and VPC typically emulate virtual hardware that is common and supported across many platforms. (read old) That negates the need to install "third party" manufacturer's drivers as the virtual OS usually has the neccessary drivers already included..
>>>>>> Latest Radeon drivers for Win98/ME give support up to Radeon 9800; since my HD 3850 belongs to next generation I cannot use >>>>>> them. >>>>>> Furthermore, there is a driver named "Radeon Series" fails on installation. >>>>> If you mean within the 98 VM, then that's expected as the virtual machine does >>>>> not control the physical video adapter. Think about it.. how would the host OS >>>>> and the virtual guest OS be able to use two different adapters. VMWare >>>>> is painting the screen the same way any other windows program does. If you >>>>> get only "16 colors" it's because the guest OS doesn't have the correct settings or >>>>> isn't properly configured for its virtual adapter. And that could be drivers, but >>>>> not the drivers you need for the physical hardware. The virtual machine uses >>>>> emulated hardware.
>>>>>> Lately (It was 0300 in the night, btw) I have discovered "VMWare add-ons; a generic graphics dirver gives support to higher >>>>>> resolutions and deeper colors. >>>>> There it is :-). A better driver for the virtual hardware.
>>>> Cool, so can he then perhaps setup a lower speed for the emulated >>>> processor? Or do you know of some way that might work with the speed issue? >>> I don't know as much about VMWare as Virtual PC, but in VPC the processor is a special >>> case of sorts, and is not fully emulated. The virtual OS basically runs full out on >>> the physical CPU. (That is, as much as the host OS allows any program, taking into >>> account CPU time slice distributions.)
>>> I don't know what effect it would have to install a program inside the VM that would >>> "slow" the processor. I suspect it would work and it's definetly worth a try. It can't >>> harm anything. Certainly not the physical hardware. Just back up the VM or don't >>> "save it", if it gets trashed.
>> Sounds reasonable, about what I have found while researching some of >> the Linux variants...
>> Did you note any of the DirectX 9.0 issues in VPC or perhaps anything >> you might have noted regarding earlier versions of DirectX in it, or is >> that more specific to the older game usage perhaps? {of course that >> reflects you have run games, not saying you did or do, but it seems to >> be a reason many do use the VMs or emulators]
> The last game I ran was Quake. ;-)
Ahkay, I just installed Doom, DoomII, Quake, and a few others in the 9X partition a few weeks ago... gotta have something to take impending winter cabin fever away.. lots of other indoor stuff to do, but gratuitous violence seems to fit part of the need.
> Whatever version DirectX would have to be supported by the virtual video > adapter. Commercial VM products such as VMWare and VPC typically emulate > virtual hardware that is common and supported across many platforms. (read old) > That negates the need to install "third party" manufacturer's drivers as the virtual > OS usually has the necessary drivers already included..
So apparently neither of us can really provide much beyond what has already been presented, unless you've got more.
Maybe someone else has some input per VMWare, and the game and speed issues.
In message <eGnxjapXKHA.1...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, MEB
<MEB-not-h...@hotmail.com> writes: >Bill Blanton wrote: [] >> That negates the need to install "third party" manufacturer's drivers >>as the virtual >> OS usually has the necessary drivers already included..
> So apparently neither of us can really provide much beyond what has >already been presented, unless you've got more.
> Maybe someone else has some input per VMWare, and the game and speed >issues.
(Just for interest; I haven't played with virtual machines of any sort) Perhaps one of you who is running a virtual machine and _doesn't_ have the problem of it only giving VGA (640x480 16 colours) could go into Display Properties, and tell us what hardware the VM "thinks" it's driving? And, what the highest resolution/depth are available? And is that "virtual hardware" any relation to the actual video hardware on the host machine? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously outdated thoughts on PCs. **
> (Just for interest; I haven't played with virtual machines of any sort) Perhaps one of you who is running a virtual machine and > _doesn't_ have the problem of it only giving VGA (640x480 16 colours) could go into Display Properties, and tell us what hardware > the VM "thinks" it's driving?
My VPC machines use a virtual S3 Trio 32/64 PCI. (The host box has a Radeon 9600. )
> And, what the highest resolution/depth are available?
My virtual 98 install allows for 32-bit color and 1600 x 1200 screen resolution, while the host currently only allows and is set at 1280 x 1024.
If I set the virtual OS to 1600 x 1200, the window that it runs in is bigger than the physical monitor screen. There's no way to overcome the number of pixels allowed on the physical machine. You can't have two different resolutions on the same physical adpter, though you can emulate a different color depth. (you won't see any increase in color depth if the VM is set higher than the host)
> And is that "virtual hardware" any relation to the actual video hardware on the host machine?
Only that you need the actual hardware to display what is on the virtual. The guest OS has no knowledge of the physical hardware.
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